Uncut Saiyan Saga

[SSJ3500]

Does anyone know if they're any Uncut videos of the saiyan saga. I've checked a lot of places but they only have edited versions. Were uncut ones made or just unavailable now?

[pilaf_killed_kenny]

The first two seasons of Dragon Ball Z were dubbed by a different group of people than the group who dubbed seasons 3 through 6. A group called Ocean Group dubbed the first two seasons and edited them horribly. The current FUNImation team is in the process of going back and making uncut episodes of the Saiyan and Namek episodes, as well as dubbing DBGT for American audiences.

[SSJ3500]

Thats good, I planned to buy the series backwards anyways, so I probably wont get to the saiyan saga for about 5 years...

[GOHAN]

Have fun buying it backwards. It truly will take a long time.

[pilaf_killed_kenny]

I am going to personally buy all the movies on DVD first and then collect the whole series on DVD.

[Glace]

So... To answer the question, Pioneer does not sell unedited versions of their tapes. When they translated their versions, they just completely took out what they weren't going to use and didn't bother to translate the unused scenes.

[pilaf_killed_kenny]

So... To answer the question, Pioneer does not sell unedited versions of their tapes. When they translated their versions, they just completely took out what they weren't going to use and didn't bother to translate the unused scenes.

But if we wait patiently, FUNI will give us a more accurate version of the first two seasons sometime in the near future.

[vegeta423]

Where do I find the Ocean version of DragonBall Z at? I have been looking everywhere for them.

[Glace]

Go to your local mall or video store. If they sell recent DBZ episodes, chances are they sell the old ones too.

[vegeta423]

Go to your local mall or video store. If they sell recent DBZ episodes, chances are they sell the old ones too.

Thank you Glace.

[GOHAN]

Where do I find the Ocean version of DragonBall Z at?  I have been looking everywhere for them.


Why would you want ocean group dubs? They are worse then FUNi

[vegeta423]

Where do I find the Ocean version of DragonBall Z at? I have been looking everywhere for them.


Why would you want ocean group dubs? They are worse then FUNi

Just too see what they are like. I never knew that there were so many different versions of DBZ out there.

[Glace]

No no no, they dubbed the first few seasons. It's not a different english version, it's the only english version. The Saiyan and Namek Sagas they show on cartoon network are the Pioneer (Ocean Group) dubs. Right now that's the only dub in existance.

However FUNi has bought the rights to them and is currently re-dubbing them. Once that's done you'll be able to see a 2nd english version.

[vegeta423]

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

[GOHAN]

uummm
ocean group dubs the entire seasons, FUNi dub everything but the first 2 seasons. So there actually is 2 different versions.

[Glace]

There is no licensed translation of anything past the Saiyan/Mid-Frieza Saga except from FUNi. You may know fan subs, however no corporation has dubbed what FUNi has.

[GOHAN]

YTV airs ocean dub. They are almost done the series

[Glace]

Follow this link: http://www.crystalacids.com/database/recor...oceangroup.html (http://www.crystalacids.com/database/recordstudio/oceangroup.html)

As you can see, they do not dub the DBZ series anymore. They dubbed three movies, working with Pioneer.

[GOHAN]

funny, it says it is dubbed by ocean group at the end of every episode

[Glace]

FUNi's dubs are done in house. They use their own voice actors now. Although it is possible that Ocean Group participates in script translations. Though they do not provide voice actors.

[GOHAN]

again, i have seen an entirely FUNimation dub with no ocean group things on the credits, and the voices are different

[Glace]

What else do I have to do to prove to you that you're wrong? The website admits they don't dub DBZ. FUNi has exclusive rights to the english dub of DBZ.

As I said, they used to dub it. But they don't anymore.

[Seraph]

Glace, you're wrong. Canada, UK and other European countries get a dub which is REFERRED to as the OCEAN dubs because they use the same actors. It is in fact Westwood Media, the people behind Gundam Wing that are responsible for the dub they get. They do use the same scripts as FUNi.

[Glace]

They've only dubbed episodes 108-238, as opposed to FUNi's complete dub of all episodes after 56. They didn't dub as much as Gohan declared, which is part of the reason my information search turned out to be innacurate.

[vegeta423]

So does funimation dub all the DBZ sagas or does Ocean have some of them dubbed?

[Yari]

FUNi helps with all of the dubs. [sad isn't it, the way DBZ went from good in Japenise to ruining the DBZ name in english :( ]

[Mystic_Gohan1]

I can't wait to buy these DVDs! :lol:

[Zcat6]

Okay. Allow me to provide the full story -- well, as much as is known anyway -- behind the Ocean/ FUNi/ Westwood connection and the resulting versions shown on YTV (Canada), CNUSA, Yorin (the Netherlands), and CNX (UK). Before I even start, you need to know that CrystalAcids is frequently wrong in their information (ex: Westwood Studios is NOT owned by The Ocean Group), and Voicechasers.org is even worse. I am the first to admit I am no expert on any of this, but I have amassed and verified a small cache of info on the politics behind the English dub of DBZ, and boy are there politics.... I apologize in advance for the length of this post... sorry. Now then.

In the early 1990's Gen Fukanaga acquired the rights to produce English-dubbed Dragon Ball in the USA. His company, FUNimation, did not have the ability and/or the wherewithal to dub the series inhouse, so the voice acting was contracted out to a studio called Dick and Rogers in Vancouver in 1995. The first 13 pilot episodes of DB were recorded here and used many of the "Ocean" actors that we came to know later for their performance in the the first two seasons of DBZ (Ian Corlett, Ted Cole, Saffron Henderson, etc.) These 13 eps were produced by FUNi for broadcast (Trimark for home video), but, unfortunately, the show flopped miserably in the TV ratings. At that point, Gen decided to try the more action-packed DBZ instead and put DB on the back burner, declining to produce any more episodes of the DB series for the time being.

For DBZ, again the voice acting was contracted out -- to The Ocean Group in Vancouver, and the first two seasons (English version eps 1-53) were recorded at Ocean Studios (located in the same building as The Ocean Group corporation headquarters.) The same actors from the 1995 DB production were used here and the 53 eps were recorded sometime around 1997-1998. Ocean had NOTHING to do with the censoring and editing; it was all Saban's doing (the company that oversaw the network's interests in the production.) You can see this in the way the episodes changed between number 5-6 and 7-end. In the very beginning, words like "kill" and "die" were used freely, and fewer scenes were edited; that soon changed when Saban laid down the law to keep the show in accordance with "children's programming" standards. Watch the first ten episodes closely, you will see what I mean. The reason for the severe editing was purportedly due to the fact that DBZ was to be aired on "free TV." Now that the show has been picked up by cable stations like Cartoon Network, these restrictions have eased tremendously.

After the first two seasons of DBZ were in the can, FUNi decided to move the voice acting to their home base in Ft. Worth Texas, reportedly to save money. As a result, Season 3 (second half of Namek/ Frieza saga) was an atrocious production with FUNi's VAs desperately attempting to mimic their Canadian counterparts and Faulconer trying to come up with some appropriate BGM. Eventually, though, the FUNi actors did settle into their roles and steadily improved over time, as did Faulconer. There are still heated fan arguments about which set of VAs and music was/ is better, but to me this is all academic.

Anyway, when the season 3 episodes hit the airwaves, the international audience reportedly complained bitterly about the new voices, specifically citing their dislike of the new "American accents." To prevent possible loss of overseas markets, FUNi contracted Ocean back to continue an "international" dub version of episodes 108-end of series. These episodes were recorded and produced by Westwood Media in Vancouver "in association" with FUNi, which is why the scripts are identical to FUNi's version. The UK (CNX) got this version for eps 108-238, then for some unknown reason switched back to FUNi's version for 239-250 or so. THEN, they switched AGAIN back to Ocean's version which has been shown ever since. It is curious to note that CNX also purchased the Ocean version of episodes they had previous bought (FUNi version), and they continue to show only Ocean today.

CNUSA, however, has shown the FUNi version of everything since ep 54, while Yorin has flipped back and forth between versions (FUNi one day, and Ocean the next) -- this is very strange, but apparently is still going on. YTV in Canada received FUNi from 54 to 167, then audiences across Canada were shocked to see the Ocean version again from 168 to the end. Again, the politics and licensing behind all this is a tangled tale that I am steadily working on unraveling. The Ocean version of 108-end is not available on home video, presumably part of a strict licensure agreement between Ocean and FUNi.

In the meantime, the runaway success of DBZ in the ratings encouraged FUNi to go back and re-release the original Dragon Ball series, but they decided to re-dub this one starting from ep #1 in their inhouse Ft. Worth studio. This is the version that is now shown on CNUSA, although you can still PURCHASE the "Ocean" version of eps 1-13 which was produced for distribution by Vidmark (Trimark). From what I understand, when the Trimark license for the home video release of DB expires, FUNi will be able to release their own dubbed version which will likely be on hybrid DVD with the original Japanese version as they have done with DBZ.

As it stands, Pioneer holds the home video rights to DBZ seasons 1 and 2 which is why you can purchase these on DVD, etc., but this license is reported to have expired last year which essentially gave FUNi the go-ahead to start creating their own version of these episodes. The goal here is presumabley to release an "uncut" version of seasons 1 and 2 (episodes 1-67, actually) on hybrid DVD with the original Japanese. It is unclear at this time whether CNUSA will opt to pick up the "new" version of seasons 1 and 2, although it is generally believed that they will not pay for the same episodes twice. I do not personally subscribe to this idea, though, as Turner Broadcasting (which owns CNUSA, CNX, and Yorin) has already been seen to purchase two versions of the exact same episodes for airing on CNX and Yorin.....

Of even greater interest is the newly aired DBGT series on CNX. This dub was produced by The Ocean Group (now called Inter-Pacific Productions, BTW), and was recorded at Blue Water studios in Calgary (Ocean's subsidiary studio) using a new set of actors. FUNi appears to be toally out of the loop in this production, and is currently in the process of creating its own dub for GT, DVDs to be released this month. Rumor has it that CNUSA will not be airing GT until 2004, but I have a feeling it will be released sooner than this... It will undoubtedly be the FUNi version.

SO. There is the whole story, as I understand it. There is currently a fan movement to try to urge Turner Broadcasting to fund the "completion" of the Ocean dub of DBZ (recording of eps 54-107) -- check the link at the bottom of this post and add your sig if you feel it is a worthy cause, heh. In the meantime, there are multiple fan projects working on putting together a complete "Ocean set" of DBZ to share among fans who prefer this version over FUNi's.

And the story continues. Feel free to hop in here and add any additional rumors I may have missed. B)

http://www.petitiononline.com/DBZocean/petition.html

[Seraph]

Why hello zcat6. I'd never thought I'd see you come here.

BTW Just to not creep you out I idle on the ukdb boards every now and then. =D

And don't expect anyone to read that in full.

Tell Duncan that Sandi says hi.

[Zcat6]

You know, I thought I recognized your username. Small world, eh. ;-) I flit about forums and tend to post wherever the converstation is intelligent and civil. And I have to keep promoting the petition... time is ticking. B)

And I am sure that you already know that I am famous for long-winded posts, heh. I have a minimal tolerance for mindless bickering among folks who obviously have no clue about the truth (I don't mean that in a bad way, BTW). I post replies like this because I really wish that someone would have posted or presented this kind of info a year ago when I was newbie with no clue that the Ocean cast did anything past ep 53. Ignorance is not bliss, heh.

I'll say hi to Duncan for ya.
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http://www.petitiononline.com/DBZocean/petition.html

[Naemi]

Originally posted by Zcat6@Apr 5 2003, 12:58 PM
Okay. Allow me to provide the full story -- well, as much as is known anyway -- behind the Ocean/ FUNi/ Westwood connection and the resulting versions shown on YTV (Canada), CNUSA, Yorin (the Netherlands), and CNX (UK). Before I even start, you need to know that CrystalAcids is frequently wrong in their information (ex: Westwood Studios is NOT owned by The Ocean Group), and Voicechasers.org is even worse. I am the first to admit I am no expert on any of this, but I have amassed and verified a small cache of info on the politics behind the English dub of DBZ, and boy are there politics.... I apologize in advance for the length of this post... sorry. Now then.

In the early 1990's Gen Fukanaga acquired the rights to produce English-dubbed Dragon Ball in the USA. His company, FUNimation, did not have the ability and/or the wherewithal to dub the series inhouse, so the voice acting was contracted out to a studio called Dick and Rogers in Vancouver in 1995. The first 13 pilot episodes of DB were recorded here and used many of the "Ocean" actors that we came to know later for their performance in the the first two seasons of DBZ (Ian Corlett, Ted Cole, Saffron Henderson, etc.) These 13 eps were produced by FUNi for broadcast (Trimark for home video), but, unfortunately, the show flopped miserably in the TV ratings. At that point, Gen decided to try the more action-packed DBZ instead and put DB on the back burner, declining to produce any more episodes of the DB series for the time being.

For DBZ, again the voice acting was contracted out -- to The Ocean Group in Vancouver, and the first two seasons (English version eps 1-53) were recorded at Ocean Studios (located in the same building as The Ocean Group corporation headquarters.) The same actors from the 1995 DB production were used here and the 53 eps were recorded sometime around 1997-1998. Ocean had NOTHING to do with the censoring and editing; it was all Saban's doing (the company that oversaw the network's interests in the production.) You can see this in the way the episodes changed between number 5-6 and 7-end. In the very beginning, words like "kill" and "die" were used freely, and fewer scenes were edited; that soon changed when Saban laid down the law to keep the show in accordance with "children's programming" standards. Watch the first ten episodes closely, you will see what I mean. The reason for the severe editing was purportedly due to the fact that DBZ was to be aired on "free TV." Now that the show has been picked up by cable stations like Cartoon Network, these restrictions have eased tremendously.

After the first two seasons of DBZ were in the can, FUNi decided to move the voice acting to their home base in Ft. Worth Texas, reportedly to save money. As a result, Season 3 (second half of Namek/ Frieza saga) was an atrocious production with FUNi's VAs desperately attempting to mimic their Canadian counterparts and Faulconer trying to come up with some appropriate BGM. Eventually, though, the FUNi actors did settle into their roles and steadily improved over time, as did Faulconer. There are still heated fan arguments about which set of VAs and music was/ is better, but to me this is all academic.

Anyway, when the season 3 episodes hit the airwaves, the international audience reportedly complained bitterly about the new voices, specifically citing their dislike of the new "American accents." To prevent possible loss of overseas markets, FUNi contracted Ocean back to continue an "international" dub version of episodes 108-end of series. These episodes were recorded and produced by Westwood Media in Vancouver "in association" with FUNi, which is why the scripts are identical to FUNi's version. The UK (CNX) got this version for eps 108-238, then for some unknown reason switched back to FUNi's version for 239-250 or so. THEN, they switched AGAIN back to Ocean's version which has been shown ever since. It is curious to note that CNX also purchased the Ocean version of episodes they had previous bought (FUNi version), and they continue to show only Ocean today.

CNUSA, however, has shown the FUNi version of everything since ep 54, while Yorin has flipped back and forth between versions (FUNi one day, and Ocean the next) -- this is very strange, but apparently is still going on. YTV in Canada received FUNi from 54 to 167, then audiences across Canada were shocked to see the Ocean version again from 168 to the end. Again, the politics and licensing behind all this is a tangled tale that I am steadily working on unraveling. The Ocean version of 108-end is not available on home video, presumably part of a strict licensure agreement between Ocean and FUNi.

In the meantime, the runaway success of DBZ in the ratings encouraged FUNi to go back and re-release the original Dragon Ball series, but they decided to re-dub this one starting from ep #1 in their inhouse Ft. Worth studio. This is the version that is now shown on CNUSA, although you can still PURCHASE the "Ocean" version of eps 1-13 which was produced for distribution by Vidmark (Trimark). From what I understand, when the Trimark license for the home video release of DB expires, FUNi will be able to release their own dubbed version which will likely be on hybrid DVD with the original Japanese version as they have done with DBZ.

As it stands, Pioneer holds the home video rights to DBZ seasons 1 and 2 which is why you can purchase these on DVD, etc., but this license is reported to have expired last year which essentially gave FUNi the go-ahead to start creating their own version of these episodes. The goal here is presumabley to release an "uncut" version of seasons 1 and 2 (episodes 1-67, actually) on hybrid DVD with the original Japanese. It is unclear at this time whether CNUSA will opt to pick up the "new" version of seasons 1 and 2, although it is generally believed that they will not pay for the same episodes twice. I do not personally subscribe to this idea, though, as Turner Broadcasting (which owns CNUSA, CNX, and Yorin) has already been seen to purchase two versions of the exact same episodes for airing on CNX and Yorin.....

Of even greater interest is the newly aired DBGT series on CNX. This dub was produced by The Ocean Group (now called Inter-Pacific Productions, BTW), and was recorded at Blue Water studios in Calgary (Ocean's subsidiary studio) using a new set of actors. FUNi appears to be toally out of the loop in this production, and is currently in the process of creating its own dub for GT, DVDs to be released this month. Rumor has it that CNUSA will not be airing GT until 2004, but I have a feeling it will be released sooner than this... It will undoubtedly be the FUNi version.

SO. There is the whole story, as I understand it. There is currently a fan movement to try to urge Turner Broadcasting to fund the "completion" of the Ocean dub of DBZ (recording of eps 54-107) -- check the link at the bottom of this post and add your sig if you feel it is a worthy cause, heh. In the meantime, there are multiple fan projects working on putting together a complete "Ocean set" of DBZ to share among fans who prefer this version over FUNi's.

And the story continues. Feel free to hop in here and add any additional rumors I may have missed. B)

http://www.petitiononline.com/DBZocean/petition.html
Amen to that :blink:

[Seraph]

Meh, don't bother saying hi to Duncan for me, although he'll remember Sandi easily. (BTW, Sandi/Seraph = Two different people)

[Gohi]

I'd hate to agree with Gohan but he's right. THERE ARE OCEAN DUBS STILL GOING ON! It's in Canada and britain and stuff. Don't believe me? Just go to this site. Dragonball Uk (http://ukdb.com)
*I know this is kinda late... heh*
-Son Gohi

[Amuro Ray]

buy the HK dvds, they are good enough in terms of video quality, and you can see what the series is really like

[Zcat6]

Originally posted by son gohi@Apr 10 2003, 06:58 AM
I'd hate to agree with Gohan but he's right. THERE ARE OCEAN DUBS STILL GOING ON! It's in Canada and britain and stuff. Don't believe me? Just go to this site. Dragonball Uk (http://ukdb.com)
*I know this is kinda late... heh*
-Son Gohi
Er, did you not read ANY of what I posted? I know it is long, but the answers are all in there.

Okay, for those who need the abridged version :P , here it is in a nutshell:
Canada gets Ocean 1-53, 168-end broadcast on YTV
Britain gets Ocean 1-53, 108-end broadcast on CNX
Netherlands (Yorin) gets a potpourrie mixture of Ocean and FUNi
USA gets Ocean 1-53, then FUNi from 54-end.

Ocean is finished recording DBZ, but please sign the petition and maybe, just MAYBE we can get an Ocean Season 3. ;)
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http://www.petitiononline.com/DBZocean/petition.html

BTW-- the link you gave for ukdb is wrong -- it is a .net, not .com
Try here: http://www.ukdb.net

[super vegito]

pilaf is a fool

[UltamateGohan89]

i'm not sure were they are i'm looking also